Yes I can see the sense in that and maybe I should have said that at the start instead of leaving the ball in the seller’s court, but a bit difficult now as I agreed otherwise. Maybe I’ll go round his house tomorrow and see if he has started the ball rolling and, if not, suggest I do it instead.
The last time I bought land we were introduced by a friend who was an estate agent who did not charge and he made the arrangement for the notaire appointment.
Is that all that needs to be done, just the notaire and then the 2 of us turning up at the agreed hour to sign the documents?
The Notaire can do all. Needs to check seller has title deeds and all sole rights to sell etc. You and the gentleman will also need to agree who will be paying for the Notaire and necessary taxes.
We wait with anticipation photos with dogs in and the new forest…
Once an offer has been accepted, the buyer typically pays the notaire 5% of the agreed price as a sales agreement, or compromis de vente. The notaire holds on to this sum until the completion of the sale. However, the parties can agree to skip this step and go proceed directly to the sale.
The notaire will require a payment of around 7 to 8% of the plot’s total sale price. The ‘frais de notaire comprise:
The notaire’s payment
Taxes (these make up 80% of the frais de notaire): deed transfer rights, taux de la contribution de sécurité immobilière.
VAT on notaire’s payment.
Expenses
Once the sale has been approved and signed by all parties and the notaire, the plot is yours.
The Notaire can help you with the obligatory registering of your purchase on the France Land Registry, and pay the fee.
Blimey I did a good deal before then when I bought the bit I’m sitting on now, because I paid the agreed price and nothing else. The same with the original purchase of the house and land, and here’s me thinking I’ve only got to pay this bloke a thousand euros.
That’s common in France when buying property. Usually the seller adds an amount for fees etc when setting the price, which are predictable at the outset. So when you bought, the seller got less than what you paid. Was never sure if it’s always done like this, but our two buys in France have. And one sale.
It is possible the chap expects to put €1,000 into his pocket without Notaire payments but may be wise to be prepared. Your offer to him will say a clear €1,000, the fees on the sale price can be sorted later and won’t be onerous. Still good news!
Last year I bought a plot of land next to me, about 1000m² with a small cabin (40m²), no utilities. We negotiated the price in the middle of the street in front of the plot. €2.5k. I agreed to pay all fees , I contacted the Notaires office, got rdv for the Compromis, then after all the checks etc an rdv was agreed for the Acte de Vente. I transferred the money plus the fees to the Notaire. The fees amounted to €450. Bon Courage
Thank you, but in this case I did not make an offer, he did, so perhaps he thinks that will include the costs. I would have said the same if asked though so am prepared to pay more in the final event.
Next thing to do is go round there today and see if I can pin him down, maybe by offering to go to the notaire myself.
I want this plot simply to get me closer on my own land to other land that I do not own but do walk through most days and give more free space for the dogs to roam without a formal walk. I will have to get a geometre expert in to post the boundaries and then get it fenced, but professionally this time, proper stock fencing into the ground, not the useless chain link that I put in before in my ignorance. Then the brush clearance, there is a lot of undergrowth, not good for the trees, nor me, nor the dogs.
The only downside is that I will be adding value to the property which makes it more difficult for my son if, in the fullness of time, he finds himself having to negotiate with the other successors to buy them out. I might kick the bucket tomorrow but, on the other hand I might make it to 100, and 18 years is a long time for wishing I could have done something differently.
I could, this is something discussed before in another thread, but it is not straightforward and, for one thing, half of the amount would have to be paid to the other successors immediately and I doubt whether the law would allow a deliberately low price to get round this.
I thought that the ‘other successors’ were Frans biological children, but not yours ? Unless you adopted them then they are not in any way your successor, your son is. Whatever was bought jointly with Fran, because of the regime you chose, I assume is to be split between both sets of children. Whatever you buy now is not part of that estate, it is yours exclusively and will go entirely to your son. The deed will be in your name only.
For the first time in several days, the outdoor temperature is above 0c - it’s almost tropical at the moment at 4.3c.
Throughout this time though, it’s been lovely and warm indoors. The woodburner has kept our front room at a temp of between 24-28c. The kittens love it. Bobby even lies under the woodburner (which is raised above the floor tiles) for extra comfort.
@hairbear I think that houses, and perhaps the land around their situation, are treated differently to normal succession. While Fran’s children can’t receive money or cars etc 'till I die, the house is mine only due to usufrut until I do. If I sell it, the appropriate portion due to them has to be paid out of the sale proceeds immediately, no need to wait 'till I die.
On the cheerful side of that, if I sold to my son, and if he allowed me to continue to live here 'till I die, the whole thing would be his and his sister’s in that event. Only money and assets other than the house would go proportionally to Fran’s 3. This extra 1100 sq metres of land is really neither here nor there being worth only €1,000 now.
and the cheerful news is that they obviously love you very much and missed you dreadfully while you were away… now, they have to convince themselves you will not run away again… then they’ll relax and start laying… hurrah !
I don’t know how cold it is where you are but according to our village chicken carer M.Antoine, the chickens barely lay in winter when the nights are -6C and the days barely 10C.
Sunny and dry here but I expect the chickens are saving up all their energy just keeping warm
We’ve only had 3 since we got back from the UK 12 days ago!!
