Leavers don't want to repatriate 'foreigners', they value and understand the need for a number of workers in whatever capacity...The Leave vote was about our percieved powerlessness, when it comes to controlling numbers (what is wrong with a bid system, where the differing parts of the country request a number of immigrants and specify which skill. type of industry requires this ?),..... plus other issues, concerning law making and the lack of our ability to achieve change within the EU, corruption and looming. dire problems concerning other countries and the impact of that, now and in the future....
Yup. I've been gloomily expecting such a change since Brexit combined with the UK required income levels for non EU citizens and that's without considering MLP getting in.
Those may be your reasons for voting leave, they are quite obviously not everyone's in view of the massive rise in documented xenophobic attacks, both verbal and physical, on foreigners in the UK since the referendum. I think xenophobia motivated a fair proportion of the leave voters. Or perhaps everyone did indeed vote leave for the reasons you have outlined and the referendum result has simply given the xenophobes licence to act on their previously repressed desires. I think I know which seems more likely.
That's exactly what got me thinking about the same thing being applied here. (The UK required income levels, I mean).
I have no plans and no desire to return to live in the UK, I no longer own a house there but most of my family & friends are there and I intend to keep in touch and make fairly frequent visits.
Well it would if it happens but I very much doubt that it will.....
I believe that there is some sort of acquired right against radical moving of goalposts...that gives some protection to expats and M le Pen, would be aware of possible reciprocal 'knock -on affects' if she started to inflict unilateral changes...the possibility of 'tit for tat' measures againt French expats in the UK...She has I believe only about just over one third of the vote, .....
So what would you do if a Le Pen administration said "go back where you came from" ? Because the FN think France should be for the French and that everyone should stay in his or her own country, and rules similar to those in place in the UK may well be brought in, especially for non-EU citizens, which is what you will be. About a third of the vote was enough to get Brexit voted in, wasn't it. It is perfectly likely to happen, unfortunately, it is obvious that demagoguery and xenophobia are the in thing at the moment.
Dream on Hilary, if life has taught me anything it is that things go out of control very quickly.
I just dont think it is even remotely likely, even if she did win an election ,
Marine Le Pen maybe quite right wing, anti the EU (but she is not her father) and not like the national front in the UK......I suppose I would have to consider my options, sell up and head somewhere else with a decent climate and culture that I like ...Italy maybe a Greek Island ...perhaps the US (Marthas Vineyard, Carmel, New York State..) ....who knows ? I haven't considered this scenario because it's so hypothetical...
Here;s her Wikki entry....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Le_Pen
Described as far more democratic and republican than her nationalist father, she has led a movement of "de-demonization of the Front National" to detoxify it and soften its image, based on renovated positions and renewed teams, also expelling controversial members accused of racism, antisemitism, neo-Nazism, or pétainism including her father. An important moment was when she said that the Holocaust was the "height of barbarism" while her father had famously said it has been "a detail in the history of World War II". She has also relaxed some political positions of the party, advocating for civil unions for same-sex couples instead of her party's previous opposition to legal recognition of same-sex partnerships.[14][15]
Le Pen was ranked among the most influential people in 2011 and 2015 by the Time 100.[16][17] In 2016, she was ranked as second-most influential MEP in the European Parliament by Politico, just behind the President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz.[18]
I didn't address my response to you Diana and I have insulted nobody, but obviously I hit a nerve, tant pis........ BTW, Brexit will never, ever happen. The UK hasn't the resources to execute before it's declining economy forces a rethink. Whitehall is already trying to think up a face saving fudge :-)
Hold on Hilary, you're not going to be welcome in any other EU country either. Hope you have the squillons of bucks required to move to Martha's Vineyard or Carmel (BTW say hello to Clint from me if you get there).
Goodness, you are such a "victim" Dave :-)
I think your second option is more likely.....and if there has been a 'massive rise', then it is still a tiny proportion of people who voted for good, legit reasons to 'Leave'....One will never be able to eradicate all extremists...In fact I suppose in a democracy, they are entitled to their views (as long as they do not act on these feelings as the terrorists do) and it is better/safer to know who these people are rather than try to suppress it and drive it underground ...
Marine Le Pen will say and do exactly what she thinks will get her elected and if that means chucking out non-EU citizens that's what will happen - as far as the FN are concerned people from the UK will be like people from Azerbaijan or Zambia, because the FN aren't racist but they ARE xenophobic. Unless of course the people concerned are stinking rich, in which case they can stay, pay massive taxes and deal with their own health care etc. - but how many UK citizens resident in France are stinking rich? As it is a lot of French people think that the British are no different to any other immigrant group, not speaking the language properly, only using other British people to do work for them on the black etc etc etc so I don't think MLP would have many qualms.
I think Marine Le Pen is in favour of a 'Frexit'.....so other European countries may still be an option, if all one is going to do is retire and one has a good enough income, not to be a burden on the state
It would have to be an old boathouse/shack in Martha's Vineyard.....and I have always hankered for a beach-house on stilts with a sandy beach and ocean view......I saw some surprisingly cheap, large wooden houses (with those lovely wraparound verandas), for sale in New York State,....Connecticut... etc.... a few years ago....and there are all those empty 'foreclosures' all over the place....Failing that, I could get an old winnebago and become in the words of Hannibal Lecter ..classified as 'poor white trash'...
As for Clint, I don't know what he is up to these days..(hope he's keeping up his piano practice,,, "Go ahead Clint,,,,make my day..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrbQavEhR_g
...probably not in politics, in Carmel anyway....
If life has taught me anything it's that worrying about possible catastrophies .. doesn't actually help...you can only do what you can do.....and with future politics, as with other 'amorphous' things, it's a waste of time and energy to try to 2nd guess it...
I have an open mind and although I want to stay in SW France, I think, I may feel differently and I can be flexible....but I wouldn't want to return to the UK...Besides the better climate and more sunshine, I came for a different life experience and to climb out of the 'mundane' life as it would be in the UK and draw a line where my new life starts......a nice thing to do from my perspective...and something I know I will never regret....
The UK has already done it for non EU immigrants and once out of the EU would treat all immigrants equally, barring any exit agreement to the contrary, so it would be the EU countries who may play tit for tat and why wouldn't they?
What law would protect the acquired rights you mention? If it's the ECHR then the UK has made it clear in the past that they want out of that, even if it has been put on the back burner for now.
Non EU Citizens in France already need a higher level of income than we do to settle here so at the very least I would expect that, unless there is an exit agreement to the contrary, the level of income we would need would be the same as the rest of the non EU Citizens.
There are many people here who are retired with s1s who don't even meet the current level but it hasn't been a problem because with an S1 you don't need to prove that you pass the residence criteria. These people may have problems in future even if they have been here for more than five years because they can't prove legal residence for that period and therefore wouldn't be classed as permanent residents even under the EU rules, never mind under the non EU rules.
Its not that easy to get into the USA even if you're fairly comfortable so are you American then?