Should I be paying French tax?

Normally somebody with a permanent WARP card would have a proven history of their time in France. The strange thing about this thread is that the holder does not seem to have ever done a tax return in France. He states openly that he lives in two places but he can only be resident in one of them.

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I don’t think anyone here disputes that. It is the OP’s acquisition of the WARP that is under suspicion.

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You can be taxable in more than one jurisdiction though. Famous recent case of Impôts going to court in France to tax a Belgian couple who spent more than 180 days here per year although they were otherwise still clearly homed in Belgium and paid taxes there. Impôts won.

Likely the Belgians were very much worth taxing though, to get this level of fight to tax them… I would guess… and hope.

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I know. I pay far more tax in the U.K. than I do in France but I am a French resident. That affects the bank accounts I use, my healthcare, my driving licence and my car registration. Residency comes with commitments.

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That is why DTAs exist. However the op does not seem to have recognised that he had any liability in France despite obtaning a WARP on the basis of having lived here for five years, and having apparently worked here. That is what seems hard to reconcile

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I think @CJWJ is feeling a bit like the Spanish Inquisition has leapt on him (with some justification to be fair), and nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition (who’s chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear, fear and surprise… OK their two weapons are fear and surprise and ruthless efficiency…, er their three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency… :slight_smile: )

Let’s just work from where we are and try to be helpful please.
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I could always throw in a recipe :rofl:

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It’s an awkward one. Someone who has been resident in France for long enough to have applied for a permanent WARP card would know the answer to the question about completing a tax return. The situation and the question just don’t fit together. People willing to help need more accurate information to work on. Really there is only one one word answer to the question about a resident needing to complete a tax return and that answer is, yes. A 9 word extension would be, just like every other year since you became resident.

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Perhaps the one for your galette maison du résident :wink:

I am not sure how France Impôts won that case Sandcastle but they did.

I would not have known I had to do a tax return - having relocated precipitately, I did not know this before I saw it on SF. Luckily shortly before the period when the first tax declaration was due.

Maybe it being an American and just living in different US States you have to file a tax form for both but why would people think you wouldn’t have to file a form in your residency and where you make your money?

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I’ve had a complaint about some of the responses here so can we all please remember to keep our replies useful and informative rather than judgmental?Thanks !

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I’m sorry if that is how it came off. I thought you almost always file some tax filing in where you live and make money

I really don’t think that the comment by cat was aimed at you, what you said was perfectly sensible. It’s in relation to other, earlier comments.

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Did you apply for a permanent WARP card?

Many responses may not specifically be addressed or pertain to the OP but are topical information for readers who visit the thread, and any other interested surveillance. It is a topic of importance to many here and the OP opened Pandora’s box.

For my own knowledge, I would just like to clarify if all replies in a thread must continue to relate to the original post?

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That’s clearly the case in the US, but in the UK for example, only 28% of adults actually need to file a tax return. Liabilities/refunds are typically managed by the tax authorities through (often real time) withholding adjustments (aka "pay as you earn’) from salaries.

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That is a very relevant observation which I must confess I had forgotten, and it does put a new light on the original question.
Although still, the answer on who needs to declare income unde French fiscal law is very easy to find.

I didn’t know that the number was so low. I didn’t need to complete a tax return every year when I was working but I thought that that was because I was so boring. As a government employee who only had current and savings accounts with one bank my financial position was crystal clear and simple to understand. I didn’t realise I was in the vast majority.