I agree and I’m happy to excuse people who have unknowingly done something offensive and who, upon learning about it, are remorseful. Everyone makes mistakes - I’ve made plenty in my time - but it’s in how someone responds to having made a mistake that I judge them.
In this case, he’s been made aware that what he said was racist but he has only apologised for being rude towards Diane Abbott. He has shown no remorse for actually being racist.
Briefly on the “woke” thing, you don’t need to be woke (Woke Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster) to know that something is racist or misogynistic. People who are woke are competitively or performatively sensitive, often in support of a left worldview.
I fixed that for you. Others who are woke are simply sensitive to unfairness and injustice, often something that is indeed linked to a leftist world view.
On the other hand, many on the right use “woke” as a pejorative term for those who call them out for being misogynist, racist, or for just not agreeing with the world view of those on the right.
The latest government statement on what is extremism was called out by a Conservative MP, who is concerned about the freedom of one point of view to offend another.
Freedom of speech should be able to include offending a different point of view without being called extreme.
That will depend on the nature & level of offensiveness. Offend away, but there are lines that should not be crossed in a civilised society, overt racism being one of them.
Quite! What we ought to have learned from the Charlie Hebdo response, as OTT as it was, is that whether or not something we say or do is offensive lies in the ears (or eyes) of others. Our personal right to free speech should not trump that.
I disagree. In many cases, the ‘woke’ find themselves talked about because others (those I think of as ill-educated, right-wing, reactionaries) insist on ‘calling out the woke’ and provoking arguments.
Indeed. CH were intentionally acting as a bully, thinking they were protected by the government regarding freedom of speech while they deliberately and intentionally hurt a religious minority. That doesn’t excuse what happened, but they were far from being the innocent ‘good guys’ in the affair.
It’s also interesting sometimes to see feminism used to get away with misandry, as though past oppression of women has made that acceptable.
You’re going to have to explain that. The full Muslim dress worn by women is merely part of their religion in the same way Christians wear a cross or Jews wear a skull cap.
I well understand, in defence of womankind, and that everyone is entitled to think and feel whatever they wish. The issue here is in voicing it.
By the way, whatever we choose to think and feel about the Muslim chador, it is the owner/wearer’s choice, country laws permitting, so we should respect that.
There are of course social security and political issues that come into play but I can say for myself that I feel banning the burkini at the beach is a shame. I would rather like to wear one. My policy is the more skin cover the better! Perhaps I’ll look for a vintage Victorian bathing costume.
Only men. Women ok then wear far more restrictive outfits and sometimes aren’t distinguishable from hard-line Muslims: what they have in common is that’s it is men imposing those outfits. There’s o mention of having to be covered from head to toe in the Quran, for instance.