Climate/ecological breakdown

Funny you haven’t mentioned the damage done by producing fossil fuels, internal bias?

The earth will manage just fine, it has suffered a lot, lot worse situations than this, mankind might not manage as well though :thinking:

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I wrote in another thread:

Personally I think humanity will survive more-or-less whatever happens. Extinction (of humanity) is not my fear. We are very widespread and adaptable as a species - somewhere groups of us are likely to survive almost any level of breakdown.

Rather, it’s civilisation I fear for - the continuous histories we have, the accumulated and shared knowledge, diverse cultures, communications, education - and, in many places, relatively easy and stable lives. And most of all, our potential - the capacity I do believe we have to actually provide a decent life for everybody, and to continue the advance of our collective knowledge.

But on further reflection, the social instability and human conflicts that will probably accompany breakdown might be the worst aspect. Increasingly extreme weather events and sea level rises, and the resulting crop failures, etc, will mean people will not be able to live where they do now. How will we deal with the consequent need for people to move to new places - possibly in their millions?

Humanity’s traditional approach for solving excess population has been warfare.

What would happen with China if the west simply stopped buying half the goods produced there in favour of either greener locally produced goods or simply to reduce consumption?

How about India, who have a burgeoning industry along with extremes of wealth and poverty and population pressures?

Russia doesn’t have a population problem, but how might they react if displaced people decided they would like a share of that land?

‘We’ will need to manage consumption very carefully, because as well as keeping everyone busy in the west, it also supports a lot of economies elsewhere. Distribution of wealth across borders in a non-commercial manner is likely to be an interesting challenge.

It isn’t the earth’s demise, just ours. We shall go the way of the dinosaurs, only we’ll have done it ourselves. Whatever evolves after us will look at relics of the 21st century and think what a bunch of morons.

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A few more species as well, once the pH of the sea lowers by another 0.2pH the reefs die and those that feed on the reefs die, those that feed on those die and so on you get a catastrophic colapse of an entire ecosystem and that eacosystem could rebalance CO2 levels far quicker than re foresting land if only we cleaned it up an stop dumping so many forever chemicals into it along with the micro plastics and more.

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Badly presented, yes my reference should have been more specific ie. The demise of the human race rather than the planet upon which it survives however despite all the predictions from doom and gloom merchants that probably is way down the line

Are you rejecting all the science?

No, just fed up of politicians and do gooders not practicing what they preach.
I watched Gretal Thumberg speaking the other day to a converted crowd all from a pre prepared script in her hand that she continually looked at. A speech prepared by others for a puppet me thinks.

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Sadly that is correct.
The far right used small children in their campaigns so quite worrying as to who is pulling the strings.

So you wouldn’t prepare a speech ahead and /or use notes when speaking to a big crowd, being filmed and using your 2nd language? I suppose you wouldn’t need to seeing you aren’t 17 or 18.

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Has anybody else observed that Greta Thunberg seems to elicit particularly negative reactions from a specific male age and socio-economic group? The odd thing is I’m probably in the same group in most ways - but I like and respect her. Is it me?

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I think it was immediately very obvious to everyone aside from that particular group @Geof_Cox :roll_eyes::joy: That said, while of course the vast majority of them are male, their female counterparts (in terms of their other focuses and views) spew just as vile comments online. Assuming they are actually female of course, there’s no knowing online, and the number of ‘gender critical’ lesbians on social media who have been unmasked eventually as right wing men pretending to be women means I don’t trust anything online anymore.

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Back to ‘ecological’ vs. climate breakdown - I’d be interested in folks’ thoughts on this…

Reminded me of Joni Mitchell - ‘they paved paradise and put up a parking lot…’

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Still forgot the oceans, 2/3rd of the planet and given a chance its lungs!

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First decent report of the Cop26 Counter-Summit - looking much better than the official event!

I can’t stand her. She’s the environmental equivalent of a manufactured pop group. Someone behind pulling the strings she is being exploited

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This is worrying - a survey of the views of the climate scientists that actually contributed to the IPCC report. The vast majority believe we will not limit global heating to the 1.5 degree target - indeed most are predicting 3 degrees this century.

What really struck me though was that over 80% believe they will see ‘catastrophic’ effects of climate change in their lifetimes - and that this is shaping their life decisions, such as where they live, now.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02990-w

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With Boris in charge of us and other nutters around the world can anyone blame them?

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