UK riots, “it's a handful of thugs" myth

Annihilate the internet and the world would become a much better, safer and kindlier place immediately. The most evil invention ever known to mankind. A brash statement I realise but one I firmly believe.

Sure, day to day matters would take a little more effort but control and responsibility would revert to those with at least some brain cells and we wouldn’t buy all that stuff which we don’t need which simply makes us poorer, the rich richer and expands the social divide

People would have to take more responsibility for their lives which would make it a lot less attractive for ‘undesirables’ to breed yet more ‘undesirables’.

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I don’t have a problem with means testing it, Chris, but the threshold has been set far too low. As for getting people on to pension credit, we’ve been trying to help an older relative do this since March. Despite repeated phone calls, emails and assurances, we’ve made zero progress. More evidence of an incompetently run country.

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Just seen this analysis on the Beeb. It sums up my earlier point far more expertly!

I had a business contact in Paris who told me that Robespierre was only executed because of the rain. He reckoned a band of supporters and people who were fed up with the reign of terror planned to snatch him from the scaffold; but it was absolutely pi**ing down and they all got fed up and went home before the big event.

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Sorry to hear that!

But it probably illustrates why they set the threshold as being those on pension credit - no extra admin needed, whereas to means test above that threshold would probably cost more in admin than the benefit is worth.

And as you rightly point out, the Civil Service are overstretched and not being very successful at just doing their current jobs.

They could have just taxed it. Imperfect, but a bit more just. And as for a taxed and poorly run civil service, it’ll be interesting to see how it copes with a sudden massive wave of applications! We’ve found, and this was acknowledged by an agent, that calls to the pension credit line routinely drop, presumably because the telecom system can’t cope. They’re already dealing with the same case multiple times as a result. UK Ltd management is in a real mess.

I did not know that. Went that way on Dartmoor back in the late 70’s and it was a very forboding place to see in the distance.

Well they might glow in the dark after their punishment so the police can see them in the dark being thugs again.

They probably said the same thing about the printing press. The technology isn’t the demon; the evils are entirely due to the way a small minority of people choose to use it.

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The church wasn’t a fan of the printing press!

…“a small minority”…there I beg to differ.

When you include the bullying, abuse, political coercion, sexual perversion, drug dealing and other criminal activity, let alone the ‘dark web’ which most of us know nothing about, then I can assure you it is considerably more than a small minority.

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I am sorry but are you serious, 5 single mattresses - so 5 occupants who have the potential to take each other apart physically, are overcrowded, all have to use the same toilet facilities, and you expect those who have to deal with them to manage do you?
There is a shortfall of 10.3% of prison staff in comparison with that of 2009/10. (Yes I looked it up)
Under the last government the health care of the prisoners was under the control of the Prison Governor. God help you if you get a not so good one.

Tell me how exactly would you decide which prisoners were put in which cells?
How would you exercise those people in those cells?
If the level of take up of being a prison officer has dropped - who is going to manage the prisoners?Who the hell would want the job of doing so?

The internet educates and informs. Governments don’t want their populations educated and informed outside outside of what they can control. Look to countries where the Internet is already restricted and ask yourself, “Is that the governance I want?”

It does depend on the user having the critical thinking skills to evaluate what they’re being told!

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I am going to go against the grain of this thread. I am not far right but as that gentle lady said with her banner “not far right, fed up”

There are many hooligans out there and anti blacks (let us call it as it is… mostly muslims) BUT there are millions in the country who are rightly concerned about ultra mass immigration. If the figures are correct then 1.1 million (or more) were granted vias to live in the country. This carried on during both labour and conservatives governments, so blame can be laid squarely on both. That cannot continue to be supported… housing, doctors, etc. So, no wonder people are angry. I am not sure any country can assimilate that number of people and ensure they uphold the values of the country into which they are entering. France wants us to sign a pledge to uphold the key criteria and so they should

I do not condone the violence in any way but people must be heard. There is definitely two tier policing. We only have to look at Harehills and now to see the difference.

We just saw the muslims saying their mosque was undertack and locked the door… the police defended them. Then we have just seen a little pub under attack from the muslims and they barricaded themselves in. No. police defended them and no police have been to ask them about what happened. K himself said we will do everything to ‘protect our muslim communities’. This has to stop, the UK needs to protect one and all

I do not sway one side or the other but this needs sorting at the root of the problem and not with ‘standing army’ or any other word salad which the government comes up with.

I think it safe to say that was not a serious suggestion.

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So less than 2% of the population- if an additional 2% brings the systems of public service to breaking point surely that is the fault of poor government.

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It should be… they are in prison!

Yes, you are right, but over the last 20 years that is a huge number and the services in the UK cannot cope. Nor can the people accept this. Less than two percent of the population adds up does it not? Services are over-stretched as you would admit?

To see people arriving legally or illegally and given housing, etc over the British indigenous population, with child poverty, veterans in the streets homeless… it was bound to lead to unrest

Don’t believe everything that you are told by certain people being paid to tell you to spread division.

As a percentage of the population it is a relatively small amount.

All services should have as a minimum 10% spare capacity to run effectively at times of stress.

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