Misogyny: origins of men's hatred of women

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Sorry, but the lady’s rather patronising tone got the better of me after only a few minutes but, is there any chance she mentioned milandry at all in that long video?

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Did you mean misandry, David?

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Is that Mr. Potato Head at the 2 minute mark?

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Yes, a combination of 2 typos at the same time, that, and for some reason thinking of Ray Milland. :blush: :rofl:

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I wrote down some of what the man said in the video, modified for brevity.

“Misogyny is a psychological problem and is a mental health issue. It is a disorder, a state of mind specifically & biologically wired in the male brain that feels a need to terrorise and humiliate women. Misogyny is located somewhere in the male brain because they are terrified of women”.

He speaks of misogyny as an absolute mental illness in men, applying to all men. Not sure that I could agree with that.

Though I do sympathise with his assertion that violence generally is wired into the male brain. But happily violence is not realised in action by most normal men.

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This sounds like nonsense with a big dose of clickbait attached.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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“men’s hatred”
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don’t we mean “some men’s hatred” ???

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Wonder at whom, if indeed anyone on SF, this posting is directed.

Actually I’m really not wondering about ‘who’, but more about ‘why’?

Nevertheless, hope it wasn’t in response to mention of my wonderful, highly intelligent and highly educated wife’s dishwasher loading difficulties


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Utter twaddle!

If you wonder why any man is a mysogynist, take a good look at his parents. It is learned behaviour, not a disability.

Stop making excuses for it.

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So all men who are professional soldiers are not normal men?

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Professional soldiers are normal men. As are most men. Men with empathy.

Men who batter women are not normal. They lack empathy.

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The question is surely about the person against whom the violence is directed, the place, timing and reason.

To be violent is not a uniquely male trait, as many battered and abused male partners can testify. Certainly it’s more common for men to be violent, but to consider it uniquely male is willfully misrepresenting facts. I’ve previously posted statistics about abused men on the forum.

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Violence directed at men by women does exist and ‘not all men are like that’, but using those arguments to minimise isn’t on. In fact it is tantamount to gaslighting. NAMALT really doesn’t cut it, looking at the scale of respective violence in the world - you can do better than that surely.

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yep. I think we need to wonder why “anyone” is so violent that they batter another person
 with terrible results (violent bullying)

many people are “non-violent” bullies
 knowing just what to say (and how to say it) to mentally crush the other person
 and taking delight in doing so. The wounds from this are not visible but still very real.

In both cases
 the bully presumably feels the need to prove themselves superior ??? can’t really explain it
 perhaps others can

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I suspect the original video takes a Marxist view of violence (everyone is either a perpetrator or a victim of violence and, oh look! I’ve made it simple for the hard of thinking: all men are abusers).

But when the argument being made is that “all men are like that” then the rebuttal is exactly “not all men are like that”.

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It is very important not to minimise the harm caused by a number of individuals to their victims, whether by physical violence, or as is increasingly recognised in UK law, psychological violence too, that Stella points out.

But we also have to distinguish between the perps and those who are capable but choose not to do wrong. There’s plenty of old jokes about people being equipped to commit certain crimes. As awful as it is to be a rape victim, or a battered partner, we need to know that this is not normal, even though it has been normalised behaviour for some groups of people and in some eras.

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‘Some groups of people’ according to the WHO means 1 in 3 women.

  • Violence against women – particularly intimate partner violence and sexual violence – is a major public health problem and a violation of women’s human rights.
  • Estimates published by WHO indicate that globally about 1 in 3 (30%) of women worldwide have been subjected to either physical and/or sexual intimate partner violence or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime.
  • Most of this violence is intimate partner violence. Worldwide, almost one third (27%) of women aged 15-49 years who have been in a relationship report that they have been subjected to some form of physical and/or sexual violence by their intimate partner.

Now that may seem very abstract to you so here are some questions we asked our pupils of both sexes at school (nice quiet lycĂ©e) in 2023. It was anonymous and all we knew was the respondents’ sex.

Have you been cat-called in the street?
Do you have strangers making inappropriate remarks to you on public transport, in shops or the street? Do you take precautions not to be groped on the metro? In bars or clubs? Are you on the alert when walking alone in broad daylight, in the dark?

All of the girls said yes to almost all of these questions, about 15% of the boys said yes only to the very last one.

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Narcissistic Personality Disorder in many cases, my MIL included.
Trump too.

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