Trump's won, the West is goosed ☹️

How has trump successfully peddled his lies and populist rubbish, social media and rallies. Our po-faced politicians sitting on their high horses comfortable in their moral superiority are not connecting with the pissed off voters.

On the other hand the rightwing populists are. Given the disruption we have seen over the last ten or so years, it would be totally irresponsible of the Centre no to believe that the AfD, Reform et al could well be calling the shots sooner than anybody thinks. We are approaching a tipping point.

Trump has taught us that telling the truth and having good intentions is not enough. Getting out and selling your vision and broadcasting the good stuff that’s been done and the plans to address the bad stuff is what’s needed, and not just at election time. Trump’s reelection campaign started the day he lost.

Once again, sensible stuff. But sensible stuff is no use when facing a bully like Trump. Look at his track record in business, he’s screwed everybody. He doesn’t do win-win. We’ll see with Canada now, they can either fight back, give in or have a slow decline. I hope the opt for number one.

I don’t think people appreciate just how much of a change Trump and his gang are planning on. This is not a time for complaciency.

On that point I would agree…

I don’t think the insult helps informed debate and, yes, voters are disillusioned - though a fair bit of that is the RW (did you forget 14 years of Tory rule in the UK, or the overwhelming ownership of the media by the RW) telling them they should be unhappy.

Not just Trump - in fact what Trump (and Brexit) has shown us is that outright lies are lapped up.

As I said - I think that the stable door on this one (and on climate change) is swinging in the wind and the horse long gone. campaigns won’t work against the right wing propaganda because a simple lie will tend to win out over a complex truth and, as they say, a lie can be half way around the world before the truth has got its socks on.

The defence against this is an educated, engaged population and the starting point was 30 years ago.

i don’t disagree that the EU overall lacks the sort of leadership to tackle this problem - but it was not set up to do so. It was set up to keep EU nations from infighting, a threat from outside was not part of the calculations (that was more NATO’s sphere of influence).

I don’t think we will reset until the people who were conned realise it - and that could be a very long time.

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The thing that depresses me is that we have four solid years’ of Donald gurning. Every single day. It was so peaceful when Biden was there.

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Clever woman! I wonder who measured the brim size.

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There is a chance he might die :pray:

But then we get Vance…

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I thought it was a lovely photo, she is gorgeous

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agreed - and clever.

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I am still furious that they started at year zero in my school, moving forward each year and reaching 1914 for the O levels. Only the people taking A level history got to study what came afterwards.

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But you can’t see half her face!

So much of the rhetoric today from certain quarters has exact comparisons with utterances and actions made and carried out by a certain Herr A. Hitler, and his ‘Team’ in the late 1920’s and 1930’s.

Why cannot people see it???

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Because, while history repeats itself sometimes, it doesn’t usually do it exactly. Also plenty of those who see it embrace it because they want some of that, rather than seeing it as all bad - and indeed not ALL of it may be bad, even though some of it may be very bad.

What history shows is that most humans are not evolving intellectually. Despite new inventions and extended life we are still basically creatures doomed to repeat primitive decisions in evermore sophisticated ways.

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There is no evidence she is clever, a pragmatic survivalist maybe.

Their son is one to watch. Whatever he said to the elderly outgoing president at the inauguration may well indicate a new character entering the game. The genetic blending of Trump and Melania will not have produced a benevolent offspring. Rare or nonexistent is a photo of a smiling Barron although he is ever present on his father’s coat tail. Note the expression of his face. I expect he has the ego of his father and devious of his mother. No doubt, in this developing US, he will go far.

The only thing we learn from history is we never learn.

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Do many people in the USA even know much about Hitler?

You have hit the nail on the head.

And so called AI will only accelerate that :confused:

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And classy.

While doing some computer spring cleaning I found something I’d copied and pasted in 2020 and forgotten about. Nat White, a British writer’s description, which I’m sure most of us Brits go along with, of Trump, which I think is worth reading, written in 2020.

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So, for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So, the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?’ If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.”

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